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#1 lavender

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 01:12 PM

[sidelight.

you know, I came in here full of beans about the lester bangs book ive been reading, which is majorly interesting, and filled with intention to get to a discussion of all the interesting stuff in there about the likes of richard hell, but somehow this is on my mind more today. sorry.]

theyre leaving. after ten years. yeah, yeah, i know. i dont like tv either. but we all have our foibles. i loved this show.

one could say so much. but the gist of it for me was that when they least believed in themselves the others rushed in to shore up the nonbeliever and loved them even more.

that sounds like a principle from sitcom hell but it worked.

i had a terrible time in the nineties but they always made me laugh.

the friend i felt was most like me was chandler bing.

but the one i liked the most was joey tribiani.

he was sposed to be in his late twenties or early thirties and he sc***ed everything that moved, but somehow he was always wet behind the ears.

other actors on the show have said things like, "He (Matt LeBlanc" doesnt really act," but I thought he was the most accomplished actor on tere, in terms of effect. He WAS Joey, he brought him to life much more than anyone else did their own character. To me, anyway.

My favorite line of his was once when Chandler had dallied with Joeys girl and kissed her.

Joey: "Did you sleep with her?"

Chandler: "No, but I kissed her."

Joey (raving): "Thats worse!"

Chandler: "How is that worse?"

Joey: "I dont know, but its the same!"

You look at these words and theyre simple. But he made them ring.

I know its time they all got out of the rut and moved on, characterwise. I am smiling as I note that Joey will have a spinoff. I dont care if the typical spinoff letdown/disaster. Im glad.

He sat comatose on the Barcalounger with a cooler of beer next to him, watching Baywatch.

When he moved out to be on his own he had the worlds worst collection of apartment "decorations."

He proposed, no questions asked, to both Phoebe and Rachel when it transpired that one of the female friends was pregnant out of wedlock.

He said, and it was the truth, that except for the deception, he woulnt have really minded if Chandler had taken that girl. Hed have given her to him. (He would have, too.)

He got all macho and weird when a drunken party Chandler put the moves on his sister.

His favorite food was sandwiches.

Ill miss you, Joey, even though Im glad youll have a new incarnation.

When people rave about the "genius" that was Seinfeld, I just laugh. The ensemble was sublime (the goof of Phoebe is a very similar flavor in some ways) but when I laugh at the idea of Seinfeld as high art, its cause I dont remember a single minute that made me howl like Tribiani at his most basic.

Yeah, I hate American tv and dis it at every opportunity. But I still have real hope for it...someday. Hes one big reason why.

So I just have to say it.

Hey. How YOU doin'?

#2 girldreams

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 01:20 PM

Yep, Joey became my favorite friend ultimately--he replaced Ross.

But as much as I enjoyed your elegy, lav, I think I'm still a "Seinfeld" and "Frasier" gal at heart.
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 01:22 PM

thats not an elegy

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 02:19 PM

Yep, Joey became my favorite friend ultimately--he replaced Ross.

But as much as I enjoyed your elegy, lav, I think I'm still a "Seinfeld" and "Frasier" gal at heart.

ps i think Seinfeld is really perfect for you.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:13 PM

Isn't an elegy a tribute (particularly to something that's ending)? I realize that's a loose usage.

ps i think Seinfeld is really perfect for you.


And why is that? :D
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:01 PM

he sc***ed everything that moved

Whoa--did you censor yourself, or did the board do that?

I watch Friends, or have watched it, fairly steadily...though since it's come on at 8:00, and I've worked late alot, I've tended to miss it fairly often (though I'd usually catch up with the ones I missed in reruns).

I do like it, and I'll miss it, but I'm more of a Seinfeld person, too. And now that I have HBO, I am a Curb Your Enthusiasm person (created by and starring Larry David, co-creator of Seinfeld).

I like Chandler most. Hey, it's on now!

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 07:38 AM

i dont really watch tv but friends is ok -- my g/f is friends guru! but, we start watching an episode and then she tells me what happens and how it all links in to this & that and then.. well, i just watch it :rolleyes:

ps. we dont censor on here B)

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 11:36 AM

Can somebody clue me in as to a plotline with Joey and Rachel -- I dunno was that last year or the year before when Aisha Tyler was on there ...

When I was watching it Joey and Rachel were going out and falling in love. They were living together and the baby Emma had recently been born... how did they end that?

Because last night it was as if that never happened.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 11:42 AM

Isn't an elegy a tribute (particularly to something that's ending)? I realize that's a loose usage.

ps i think Seinfeld is really perfect for you.


And why is that? :D

well, if you get up and say, wow, what a show, I really liked joey--to me thats not an elegy.

i would rather not say why i think seinfeld is perfect for you.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 11:54 AM

Can somebody clue me in as to a plotline with Joey and Rachel -- I dunno was that last year or the year before when Aisha Tyler was on there ...

When I was watching it Joey and Rachel were going out and falling in love. They were living together and the baby Emma had recently been born... how did they end that?

Because last night it was as if that never happened.

Ehh...it was something like they realized they couldn't really be more than friends. They just couldn't get romantic with each other....

Speaking of Emma....I think they explained where she was early in last night's episode (I forget exactly what they said), but later I kept wondering, doesn't Ross mind that his daughter is being moved to France? He keeps moaning about Rachel going over there, but he's never said anything like "How can she take my daughter away to another country, where I'll never get to see her??!"

Sitcoms treat children like--well, like the plot devices that they are. Or just things to talk about.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:06 PM

Can somebody clue me in as to a plotline with Joey and Rachel -- I dunno was that last year or the year before when Aisha Tyler was on there ...

When I was watching it Joey and Rachel were going out and falling in love. They were living together and the baby Emma had recently been born... how did they end that?

Because last night it was as if that never happened.

if memory serves (and it often doesnt, haha), while they at diff times each thought they loved the other in a romantic way, it turned out they were better as friends. but they each went through a phase of wondering if it was possible that they were in love with the other. also, to be fair about it, Joey was often in a kind of chivalrous frame of mind when people got pregnant. he would go out and buy a ring and step right up (or, er, kneel right down) and propose; it didnt, actually, appear to be any harder for him than asking someone out. (on one memorable occasion when they didnt know which of the girls was the "secretly pregnant" one, he proposed to both Phoebe and Rachel in the course of a half hour tv show.) he thought he "loved" Rachel, and she him, and they "dated," and there was all kinds of beautiful awkwardness. it was very ambiguous there for a while.

i think the main thing that came through to me was that "big," in feelings about a member of the opp. sex, doesnt always translate to "romantic." it could mean a kind of extraordinary appreciation, or empathy, or gratitude, or more likely, a constellation of such things. and while the initial reaction to this acknowledgment of "bigness" is often a desire to have sex--(and God. maybe especially with Joey, who, lets face it, sometimes seems to think with his pants)--maybe this was just the stage where the innocent but randy Joey Tribiani gets a wake up call about feelings and what they can mean sometimes.

I think Rachel was, you know, Gods way of saying to Joey, yeah you like sexual relationships, but did you know THIS was out there too?

thats why I like Friends.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:35 PM

Huh. Well I guess you can't go on that long on the sitcom without it being a bit cheezy with almost everyone snogging everyone else...and proposing to...etc. It's a Moo point now! (LOL, can't tell you how many people I've explained "moot" to).

IMHO they could never repeat that great plotline with the nerd pining over the beautiful girl since high school and finally getting her ... and that kiss at the coffee shop while it was raining.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:53 PM

It's a Moo point now!

this really made me laugh. again.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 01:08 PM

"Moo point" never fails to make me laugh out loud. I always feel like such a doofus. :D

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 02:30 PM

i would rather not say why i think seinfeld is perfect for you.


Errr, OK . . . <_< :lol:

IMHO they could never repeat that great plotline with the nerd pining over the beautiful girl since high school and finally getting her ... and that kiss at the coffee shop while it was raining.


Thumbs up to that.
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Posted 08 May 2004 - 01:09 AM

IMHO they could never repeat that great plotline with the nerd pining over the beautiful girl since high school and finally getting her ... and that kiss at the coffee shop while it was raining.

I hated that scene..I thought it was so lame!! :blink: Anywho, I love this show..I was wondering about Ross's reaction about Emma, also! I mean poop! That's his kid!! :rolleyes: I thought it kinda dragged towards the end of the episode and personally was disgusted that Rachel didn't go to persue that awesome job..She could have asked Ross to move there! What is that saying? You should give up your dreams for some man?? Not that I'm against romance and all that, but please.. :rolleyes:

All in all, Ross and Phoebe rocked my freaking socks off..I loved how goofy Ross became over the years..FAJITAS!! :lol: Holy moly..Then again, they all kinda rocked in their own ways..I loved how nuerotic Monica was..Ahh..Yes..I cried..Whatever..It's sad to see that show go.. :(
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 09:31 AM

i was round at my mates last nite & we ended up watching series 2 eps. 5 - 9 (i think) it was somewhere around where Ross split up with Julie for Rachael.. ive never seen any of these before, i was glued to the screen!

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 09:46 AM

IMHO they could never repeat that great plotline with the nerd pining over the beautiful girl since high school and finally getting her ... and that kiss at the coffee shop while it was raining.

I hated that scene..I thought it was so lame!! :blink: Anywho, I love this show..I was wondering about Ross's reaction about Emma, also! I mean poop! That's his kid!!

Ha. I saw something--I can't remember where, dammit, but on one of the late-night shows, I think; or was it maybe SNL Weekend Update?--where they said something like "Two parents in New York City have been arrested for neglecting their child for several days," and then revealed they were talking about Ross and Rachel! I laughed.

I thought it kinda dragged towards the end of the episode and personally was disgusted that Rachel didn't go to persue that awesome job..She could have asked Ross to move there! What is that saying? You should give up your dreams for some man?? Not that I'm against romance and all that, but please.. :rolleyes:

Yeah--I thought the same thing.

I loved how goofy Ross became over the years.

Oh, that's one thing I didn't like! I thought he was too goofy, almost stupid sometimes. I mean, the guy was supposed to be a paleontologist. I even thought they made Joey too dumb. I hate it when sitcoms make people so dumb they couldn't survive in real life.

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 11:49 AM

i was round at my mates last nite & we ended up watching series 2 eps. 5 - 9 (i think) it was somewhere around where Ross split up with Julie for Rachael.. ive never seen any of these before, i was glued to the screen!

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The Julie/Rachel episodes are good fun, I think. As opposed to the whole Rachel/Emily triangle, which really struck me as "Been there . . . done that."
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:51 PM

Totally! That was on SNL..funny stuff.. :D Oh man..I know he was supposed to be a paleantologist and all, but man..Some of his funniest stuff was when he was acting goofy!! It's all about FAJITAS!! :lol: And when Ross and Rachel got married in Las Vegas and they came out of the chapel and said "Well hello Mr. Rachel" "well hello Mrs. Ross" and then they went separate ways when they walked out of the doors!! hhahaaa!! :lol: And in that same episode when he had the cat drawing on his face and they were drunk and walking through the casino and he went "rerrwwww" like a cat!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Hot damn..

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